How thick of a top for welding table?
Jun. 17, 2024
How to Build a Welding Table
If youre looking for an easy welding project, you may want to consider building your own welding table. A welding table must be able to absorb heat and not catch fire or warp while you are working. Welding tables should be constructed of steel and built to remain stable even while holding a heavy load. Designing and building your own welding table will allow you to design a piece that will fit your work area perfectly and is less expensive than purchasing a pre-built model.
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The basic tools required to build a welding table arent anything special and you probably have most of the tools lying around your shop already. You will need to have the pieces of metal that you are going to use for the top cut or you can cut it yourself using either an oxyacetylene torch or a plasma cutter. Once you have the dimensions of your welding table worked out you are going to also need a band saw, grinder, clamp, hammer, square, level and of course your welding machine. Consider picking up a few magnets or clamps for this project and we find them helpful for almost every project!
Before you cut or weld any of your metal pieces, you will first need to determine the size of the welding table you will be building. How much space you need to work around the welding table, and the type of welding work that you will be using it for; figuring all of this out before you begin will make the entire building process much easier. Your welding table should consist of a top that is at least 3/8 inches thick and made of carbon steel, with your legs being made from angle iron, u-channel, square tubing, or pipe. The important thing to remember when building a welding table is that all of the metal being used is of the same type to ensure that the welding table is strong and uniform.
After you have determined the size of your welding table, your next step will be to cut the top. You should lay out the cuts on the metal plate and allow 1/8 inch on the length and width cuts to allow for finish grinding. Before you make any cuts you should remove any and all flammable materials from the work area. Elevate the piece of metal you are cutting for the top and cut using either an oxy-acetylene torch or plasma cutter. After the cuts have been made, you will need to remove any slag using a hammer. To do this you can hit the cut ends of the table top using the hammer and any slag present will easily break off. Once all of the slag has been removed you will need to grind the edges to smooth any rough areas on the cut edges.
The next step is to determine how many support legs your welding table will need. This can be determined by the thickness of the table top and the overall size of the table. If you used a 3/8-inch table top, the distance between the support legs should not be greater than six feet. During this step you will also need to determine a comfortable working height of the welding table. Remember that the cut length of the legs will be the finished height minus the thickness of the table top. Now, you will need to cut the appropriate number of legs needed and make sure that both ends of the legs are square. Lay out the location of the legs on the table top, and after you have placed all of the legs in their proper locations, you can now begin to weld them onto the table top.
You may find that you need some support pieces that connect the legs at some point below the table and which will act as braces to keep the legs square. These pieces of metal can be welded to each of the table legs for added strength and support. You could add a shelf under the table, which then acts as the bracing for the table legs and shelving all in one. A shelf welded under the table can provide you with much needed storage space to keep your welding tools and equipment close while you are working.
There is no limit to the amount of accessories you can add to your welding table. Some of these accessory items you may want to consider adding to your welding table are pieces of metal that can be used to ground your welding machine to the table. Placing multiple pieces of metal along your worktable will also allow you to move your welding machine around your work table and still be able to properly ground it. There may be some hazards with using your welding table as the ground while welding your work pieces on top of the table. This website article is full of useful information if you choose to go that route.
Image Source: Welding Table from the TractorByNet.com Welding Forum
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If you are more a visual learner or just don't like reading here is a youtube video detailing the process. There are many tutorials and types of tables posted on YouTube so take a look for yourself.
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Welding and Fabrication Table Top Thickness - 1/4″ vs 3/8
One of the routine discussions Ive had with clients over the years centers around welding table thickness. In the old days, welders would take a nice thick piece of material, slap some legs on it, and earn bragging rights simply by how thick your top was! If you had a 2,000 pound, 1 thick slab of steel, that was great!
But those old mantras dont apply to modern fixture tables, and certainly not the ones we build at Texas Metal Works. Instead, were focused on strength, flatness and precision. I previously discussed flatness in detail, so were not going to go into that. Instead, were talking about whether or not its necessary to offer a variety of table thicknesses, and why.
Yes, We Can!
Lets get this out of the way. We CAN, and WILL make any of our welding tables with tops of any thickness a client wants. You want 5/16, 3/8, 1/2? YES, YES, YES! Now that weve got that out of the way, lets drill down and try and figure out if its worth it
Is it Flatter?
Its no secret how we build our tables. We fixture up all of the pieces using bolts, plates and threaded rods to squeeze everything nice and tight! Since we cut the support ribs on a CNC laser, we know they are extremely flat. Thus, when we take the slightly curved top plate (because ALL steel is slightly curved or wavy) and clamp it against the straight rib, we expect it to straighten out to match.
Our standard is 1/4 plate. But lets imagine we go with 1/2 plate instead! Now, we have to fight the natural bow of twice the thickness of steel, which means we have to clamp MUCH tighter to achieve the same result. This also puts the entire table under more stress, and requires much more welding, which also means much more heat input, which means more expansion and potential for deformation.
In other words, the thicker the plate goes, the more difficult it is to get it super straight. This isnt just for us its for anyone who is undertaking the task of building a super flat surface!
Unforseen Complications
If we build a table with thicker material, we only use the thicker material on the top. There is simply no reason to waste it on the sides or the supporting ribs. Now thats not really important, but just something to note. And here are a couple of things to consider. This is a rendering of our 60x120 welding table.
Just the top of this table (meaning not including the legs and casters) weighs 932 pounds when cut from 1/4 steel. If we upsize that to 3/8 the weight swells to pounds. That 293 pound difference comes into play by making the table that much harder to roll around, and by permanently subtracting that weight from the total the casters can support in terms of material you would otherwise be able to put on the table.
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Another detail you might not catch is that ALL accessories are designed out of 1/4 material. Heres a little closeup of the table with a 3/8 top on it. Note how the top sticks up where the tabs and slots are? That extra material means that if you were to add a vise mount, or a table extension, the surface of those accessories would be below the table surface.
Oh, we can make you custom accessories to match a thicker table top if you want! And we absolutely will too! But its going to also cost quite a bit extra.
NOTE: We solved the issue of using accessories with thicker tops by employing slots instead of holes for mounting. Now they can move up and down to accommodate any thickness. Youve have thought wed figured that out immediately, but sometimes the simplest solutions elude you the longest.
Is it Stronger?
Our tables have either 6 or 8 ribs and sidewalls in criss-crossing, intersecting patterns that support the top of the table. You can think of every intersection as a column of steel, and its this infrastructure that gives the table its rigidity and strength!
If you took a piece of 1/4 steel and hung it off the edge of a cliff and jumped on it, it would probably spring like a diving board. But so would a piece of 3/8, or even 1/2 though not as much. But if you put any of them on top of the rib infrastructure above, there simply isnt going to be a spring. Its going to be rigid.
So is it stronger? Well, if you add more steel to something, sure! But is any of that usable or necessary beyond what youd already have? Most likely the law of diminishing returns comes into play.
Is it Tougher?
In this video, at 41:06, Jason from Fireball Tool performs a test in which he takes the biggest clamp he can find and cranks it against a hole in a Certiflat table to the tune of over 1,000 lbs of force. He then rubs his finger over the hole and feels what he described as edge deformation.
Although this part of the nearly hour long video lasted only about 10 seconds, without any detailed view of the damage done by the tool, Ive had a number of customers who have worried about thickness of table tops as a result. So lets break this down
- You can watch the video 100 times and pause it on every frame, but you can not see the damage Jason felt with his finger. It would have been measured in thousandths of an inch. If every hole on the table suffered the same damage, a level would still lay almost perfectly flat across the surface of the table.
- If youre concerned with thousandths or even hundredths of an inch on your welding table, youre looking at the wrong tables to start with. You need to pony up $12,000 for a 5,000 pound plus cast, milled table. These are not the droids youre looking for
- He was bending the actual clamp by exerting so much pressure, almost to the point of failure. No one is EVER going to need to clamp anything to one of these tables with that much pressure. If so, youre doing it wrong. Also, instead of a clamp that pushes on the side, just use a bolt that pulls straight down!
- Finally, here is a photo where I used two BuildPro 6.5 InsertaClamps to pick up one of our 1,000+ pound 50x100 weld tables. These clamps are only rated at 300 pounds each.
Its safe to say that these clamps are WAY beyond their rated capacity. And its also safe to say there is absolutely no need for them ever to be putting this much pressure on holes in that table top. Ever.
Now, heres a closeup of the clamps with the table hanging in the air.
And heres the exact hole the right clamp was in immediately after letting the table down. There was no edge deformation easily visible or that I could feel with my finger, despite having suspended at least 500 pounds in the air.
I also took a macro photo to see if I could catch ANY damage to the hole, and here is the photo.
Can you spot that tiny, tiny little indentation at about 1 oclock in the photo? Its only at the very, very edge, and tooling in the hole is unaffected. This could even be from a previous event. And it also isnt enough to really even feel. The dirt on the table is easier to feel, and a weld BB getting stuck on the edge of, or inside a hole is much worse. So why was Jason able to feel his deformation and file it down so easily?
Following is a comparison between the Bessey and BuildPro clamps that we see in his video, and my photo above. The image angles are not exactly the same, but it appears the Bessey is leaning at a greater angle. This could be caused by a few things:
- 1,000 lbs of force!
- The certiflat holes could be cut slightly too large, allowing the tool to lean more than necessary and do extra damage.
- The Bessey clamp could be undersized slightly, fitting too loosely in the holes and doing extra damage.
Now, the question is, would a thicker table top have performed better? Well, heres a 3D model (to scale) demonstrating the difference between .25 thick material and .375 thick material, with two holes sized at .63 and two cylinders of .625 inserted.
Assuming tooling is accurately sized, theres only approximately a .005 gap for the cylinders to move around in the hole. So the difference between the angle a tool would lean through .25 and .375, respectively, is a tiny fraction of 1 degree. Not enough to protect the hole from damage in the case of outright abuse. In other words, if tooling is going to deform the edge on quarter inch material, its going to do the same thing on a thicker piece.
So What Happens in the Real World?
All of this excessive clamping and hanging tables from forklifts is fun and all, but lets talk about a real working shop for a moment. We have tables in our shop that have been in daily use for a couple of years, and I cant find a single hole that feels like the edge has been damaged from tooling. And we make tables! So I guarantee we dont take as good care of them as our customers! Because the guys in the shop figure we can always make another
Here are a couple of closeups of random actual holes.
These are just average holes, on a really well used, scratched up, not particularly well cared for table. But they all work great! And at the end of the day, we have to step back and remember, that if we lay a level across this table, its still EXTREMELY flat by almost anyones definition.
In Conclusion
At this point we come full circle. Are there instances where a thicker table top could deliver demonstrable benefit? Surely there are! The problem is that it probably costs more than the value it delivers.
- The table is no flatter.
- The table will cost considerably more.
- Tooling will not benefit from the additional thickness.
- Usable strength is likely unaffected.
- You probably cant build anything on a thicker top that you couldnt on a normal one.
- Accessories arent going to work properly. (SOLVED!
And the last thing to keep in mind is that the guy who would would profit handsomely from selling you a thicker table top, is the one telling you it probably isnt worth it! But if you want one, just contact us and well cut it for you any thickness you want!!! Guaranteed.
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